27 Feb Adventure Junkies – Making Travel in Africa Less Expensive (Transcript)
Adventure Junkies – Making Travel in Africa Less Expensive (Transcript)
Reggie: Where do I start? I guess, when I met you I already knew you were doing Adventure Junkies but I didn’t really know your full story. So… I guess if you can give, a little background in terms of what you were doing before and how you got started.
Adventure Junkies: What I was doing before?
Reggie: Yes, what were you doing before Adventure Junkies?
Adventure Junkies: Before Adventure Junkies, I used to own a delivery company called Speedy Trip Deliveries. I was delivering food in Tema, so your personal restaurant or your kenkey joint or your waakye joint.. whatever… you want to order food for lunch. You can call us and then we deliver to you for a small fee.
Reggie: What were you doing before that?
Adventure Junkies: Before that, I was a university graduate. I did my national service at GFCO Ghana Food Company.
Reggie: So basically, you’ve never done a nine to five.
Adventure Junkies: I would not say so… no.
Reggie: Why not?
Adventure Junkies: I did some internships. And then also, I always knew I had a knack for creative ideas that could make money. And it’s like blood, when you taste it…
Reggie: Okay so… you were in college you were doing internships, you know you, worked for a bit you and you were like, no, I want to be creative, and do business… How did you…
Adventure Junkies: It started in my finally year in college, in university. This is when I started the Speedy Trip Deliveries, so people used to order stuff, food, laptops, pick up that, pick up that… and at the end of the day, I’m making money.
Reggie: So it was a profitable business.
Adventure Junkies: It was a profitable business.
Reggie: So what made you stop that and move onto Adventure Junkies?
Adventure Junkies: What made me quit that business was literally the risk factor involved. Having these guys on motor bikes. At some points, the risk was more than the reward.
Adventure Junkies: Because, I also tried to give other youngsters a chance. And the young guys on motor bikes are a bit risky.
Reggie: Okay, how did you make the transition from delivery to Adventure Junkies?
Adventure Junkies: Naturally, I have always been an adventure junkie, born this way. As a kid I got the opportunity to travel a bit, so I’ve always loved traveling. Then some time ago, I think… even two or three years before Adventure Junkies, me and a friend, Jason, who’s my partner, went to climb Mount Afadjato.. it was just something we decided to do with another friend, Elmont. And then we told two female friends of ours and they were super excited about it. So we left, drove all the way to Afadjato. Climbed the mountain, came back, and it felt good. It did not even occur to me then that I wanted to do something like this, but I am guessing it was part of the formative conception or whatever… it was part of the conception of this. So… later, I think one day, one evening, maybe after a few beers, other things. Lying down, then it hit me. Yea why not! We organize trips to these places, package it nicely. I am sure people would love to experience attending. So I discussed it with a friend and we decided yea, we are going to do that.
Reggie: How, and I do not know if you can answer this question, but what was the process of finding out how exactly to go about it. Like for example, finding out like okay fine, I need to partner with, you know, people in aviation or partner with this or that, or kind of figure out the whole process, because it’s easy to say, yes, I’m going to plan trips but then when you do it on a big scale, all of sudden there is so many different arms, that it’s kind of difficult to figure out, okay fine I need to start here or start there. How did you…What was the process of figuring that out or how did you figure it out?
Adventure Junkies: I read this post that said: “Entrepreneurs jump off a climb and build a parachute on the way down.” Same experience. Decided, I want to do this, I want to go here. I cost it. I have a vague idea. I looked for a car rental. I send WhatsApp messages, then it was blackberry. Lots of BB messages PING PING PING PING PING… Get friends together for a very cheap fare. And voilà! We had twenty-three people on a bus… going to Afadjato. And Funny enough our first trip we didn’t lose money, we made money.
Adventure Junkies: After that, it went downhill.
Reggie: So the first trip was to Afadjato?
Adventure Junkies: Yea, the first trip was to Mount Afadjato. Which on our way we got lost. Found some woman who joined the bus and took us back to Afadjato. On our way, we saw Wli falls; because we were lost, we had to come the other way. So we saw Wli falls. We finished climbing Mount Afadjato.. This is like 5:30 pm. The people on the bus say they want to go to Wli falls. I say no, it is late. They said no, we want to go to Wli Falls. Like but, it is a bit late. They say, yea, you say you are Adventure Junkies, let us go. We get to the falls, the reception is closed. They do not allow people into the forest at night when it gets dark. These guys, walked down that forest, 6:30 pm. You have no idea how pitch black it was. Walked all the way to the waterfall, you could not see it, you could just here it. But we were there so yea. Wli Falls.
Reggie: (Laughter), Okay.
Adventure Junkies: By default, the next trip was to Wli Falls.
Reggie: I guess coming back to today, how many trips do you do a year? About?
Adventure Junkies: Minimum standard, we do eleven a year.
Reggie: Eleven a year?
Adventure Junkies: Once a month, exception of January.
Reggie: How long has Adventure Junkies been operating?
Adventure Junkies: Five years now.
Reggie: Then you are in your determining year.
Adventure Junkies: Yes:
Reggie: Okay. What has the journey been like? I know that there’s usually ups and downs but… I guess, I already know the answer to this question. I know if I asked you if you could go back and do it again would you do it, and I know the answer is going to be yes.
Adventure Junkies: You would be surprised
Reggie: You wouldn’t do it again?
Adventure Junkies: If I had to do it again…
Adventure Junkies: I don’t know why, because you said you know the answer is going to be yes, I do not want to say yes.
Reggie & Adventure Junkies: (Laughter)
Adventure Junkies: I always tell people my job is something I would do for free. So yes. I might do it differently.
Reggie: Okay, what would you do differently? Let us explore that?
Adventure Junkies: If I had to do it all again, what would I do differently?
Reggie: With your five years of experience, now?
Adventure Junkies: I would watch my collaborators more than my competition.
Reggie: Is there a story there?
Adventure Junkies: No, no, it is a business lesson you learn.
Reggie: A business lesson you learn. Okay. (Laughter)
Adventure Junkies: Because, you see, Ghana is a place where, when people see a good idea going, they do not care to do much research, or what is the background is, they just try to jump on the wagon to try it out and see. Sometimes it kind of dilutes the markets to a fuckery extent. Other times, they realize it is not cut out for them and they go. Last year I realized about five tour companies sprung up. This year I do not see them putting up tours anywhere.
Reggie: What is the process of…. that goes into creating a tour package?
Adventure Junkies: First, there is the research, to find out what is interesting and what makes people tick.
Adventure Junkies: And then comes the planning.
Adventure Junkies: Routes, activities, what can be done, what is touristic or adventurous about the place. And then we… the most important part, budget it. Then we put it out on Facebook. I must admit it has been mostly digital media, but about seventy percent of customers is word of mouth.
Reggie: What has been your most popular tour to date?
Adventure Junkies: That is a good one! The most popular tour? Wow… is that a trick question?
Adventure Junkies: So, I would say, every year comes, with its own hype, but the one tour that I know really put us out there, on the map, sad to say, was Sao Tomé.
Reggie: Yea, I think that is how I heard about you guys’ as well.
Adventure Junkies: It was Sao Tome, hands down.
Reggie: Before, Sao Tomé, you were probably already confident that the business was a viable business model and that this was something that was sustainable, but after Sao Tome, was there a moment when you looked back and you were like okay, now I have my validation or did that happen earlier?
Adventure Junkies: I think it happened earlier.
Adventure Junkies: But after Sao Tomé, I realized, oh shoot this is something that can be duplicated around the continent… as a business. Let’s say, if I thought of it as a million dollar opportunity, after Sao Tome, I was thinking it could be a billion dollars..
Adventure Junkies: Because we had people fly in from Nigeria to go with us to Sao Tomé.
Reggie: What was different about the Sao Tomé trip?
Adventure Junkies: I think it was the whole… it is new. It is Sao Tomé. People did not know the place. Some people thought it was in Portugal.
Adventure Junkies: You know, and the water was clear, and scuba diving. It’s Sao Tomé Leve Leve. Leve Leve. That is what they say in Sao Tomé.
Reggie: Okay, from a business point of view, how do you go about choosing your partners? I know there is always a number of different maybe airlines, different hotels to stay at, and different activities to do.
Adventure Junkies: First, (which might sound stupid,) it’s whom you know. Low hanging fruit. If I have somebody I can reach out to, it is the first point of contact. Then comes the side, where I am going, I look for the most popular person who can help the image or promote the activity and partner with them. But it is sad to say, in coming down the line, up until now, let us say, for the first three or four years, people didn’t really believe in domestic tourism. And were very reluctant to partner, so it was very hard core self-determination, make it happen regardless, we’ll find a big car- travel car company with no one to partner. Go to Kaneshie and find the nice bus you like and speak to the driver, sometimes he’ll tell his boss, sometimes he won’t tell his boss, and you are on the way, the boss is calling. But we made it happen. And now, people actually come to us asking to partner for occasions.
Reggie: What would you say has been the hardest part of…. setting this up business and running it?
Adventure Junkies: The hardest part has been information- availability, of information.
Reggie: In terms of gathering or finding, or people sharing?
Adventure Junkies: In terms of finding information on the locations sometimes. You want to go somewhere… like, I will tell you, when we started this I was not much of a traveler myself… within country. Okay? Most of the places I had not been to, which was also one of the reasons why I realized… that I want to do it. The only reason, why I am not doing it is because; there is nobody that I can say that I will call Mr. “B” to take me to this location. So I put myself out there to start it, but when I go online to do research or look for information, you do not find much… at all. Like my first trip to Nzulezo, apparently, even Mole National Park, for my first trip, the seasons determine whether you see elephants or not. And I didn’t get this information online. I only got it on arrival in the hotel. It’s September. You might not see elephants. The morning we did the safari, we were lucky we saw fresh poo. You could see it fresh (Laughter). But elephants we did not see. We went to Nzulezo and had to walk one hour, because it was a bit dry and the water had receded so you cannot canoe from the start. We literally had to walk in to go and I did not find out about this to online.
Adventure Junkies: And then infrastructure is a challenge from the government, even on the location, the guides, information that they have, the story they tell you about the place… sometimes you are looking at him like ahhhhh (Laughter). Ahhh… . Monkeys do not die…. they bury their dead. You know these things. A lot of superstitious hype around the tour guides himself. And that can sometimes…
Reggie: I am sure your expats love that.
Adventure Junkies: Ahhh… some of they do, some of them get upset.
Adventure Junkies: Like I went to Nzulezo three times and I have heard three different stories. First, they came from somewhere near Mali; they were being chased by the Mende tribe. They followed their snail- their God was a snail. All the way down.
Reggie: I probably should not be laughing… (Laughter)
Adventure Junkies: People were laughing. And then later, they come, oh they migrated from Timbuktu. You know so, that was the first change. The last but not the least, when they arrived at where they are now and their enemies were coming, their chief priest prayed, and the lake thing that they come out of split into two and swallowed up the enemies.
Reggie: That is interesting.
Adventure Junkies: Exactly.
Reggie: So you are approaching five years you said. When you started, I’m sure you had a vision for where you wanted to be in five years. Did that vision change and evolve or are you still aiming towards that same vision? Or?
Adventure Junkies: I am still aiming towards that vision. I have realized that it is farther away than I thought it was. But it has evolved drastically from the beginning. I mean, when we first started the goal was get locals interested in domestic tourism. Now, it’s to get Africans interested in Africa.
Reggie: Why the focus on Africans?
Adventure Junkies: So, the focus on Africans is because, I like to try new things, I like to stay off the beaten track. I feel there is the new tourist on the continent… and that is the African. The modern day African has some disposable income and would like to experience these things, but, everybody wants to go to Europe or Greece or someplace nice, but there are beautiful places in Africa that foreigners come to see. So why not us also take a tour and experience this. And also it shows investment opportunities in other African cities to other people and broadens your scope.
Reggie: I get that, it is interesting, the reason I am asking is because from a business standpoint you have all these foreigners coming in to see it. So why not target them because they are coming with their currency, and the locals, like you said, has a limited amount of disposable income. So for you to say I am going to grow this with the local guys who have disposable income or who have limited then…
Adventure Junkies: So, my reason is… the foreigners, if I purposely, if I even put no foreigners they would come.
Reggie: So you do not need to target them.
Adventure Junkies: I do not need to target them. I need to package it well. They will find me regardless. It is my brothers and sisters I want to share this with I want to show it to them, like did you know this is possible right here?
Reggie: So then .. you’re…. it’s not an ego thing. It’s not a financial thing, it’s more a service thing you are trying to do.
Adventure Junkies: Yes.
Reggie: In terms of I am trying to share Africa with Africans.
Adventure Junkies: And you see, the ultimate goal for us, is in the future maybe, even if not to have the airline company itself, but to have a sort of undercurrent travel system that provides cheap travel, air travel.
Reggie: Within Africa.
Adventure Junkies: within Africa. Because it is ridiculously expensive. And how do I get it cheaper? It is when Africans are traveling, when there is traffic. So when the average family decides ahhhhh for a holiday we would like to go to Cape Verde or for holiday we would like to go to Abidjan. It starts to build. People will then people will then invest in this side of the industry in Ghana. We will get to trade.
Reggie: Okay, I want to pivot a little bit and move towards mindset and obstacles. So in terms of, of doing the… not the usual route of going to school, going to work in a bank or going to work for a company. Right? How was that received at home? Like, for a lot of people, it’s like okay, you go to school and then you said I want to work for myself and your parents are like hein? What do you mean? I paid your school fees you know; you have to go work in a job and all that. How did your parents receive that news that you were doing
Adventure Junkies: 2 words Mom in Twi: (insert Twi here 20:04)
Reggie: Okay (Laughter)
Adventure Junkies: It literally means, that your junky junky stupid things that you are doing, I don’t like it. You need to focus and get a good job. Blah, blah blah. Then my dad, of blessed memory when I started the delivery business, I spoke to him about it, I told him I am working nine to nine. 9am to 9pm. He used to call it nine twenty, one, because we worked from nine till…. And he said, he was actually surprised. He said to me, how did it occur to me? How did I come by this idea? I said dad, I feel like it is a void that is in the market, so I found it and I am trying to grow on it. And so yea, he supported me 100 percent. Then my older brother Kweku, a crazy guy, always been an outlaw. I guess I was an outlaw in school as always. I saw the job system as yea that again, you know, same headmaster, same teachers, same prefects, same bullies. So yea fuck you guys, I’ll try something.
Reggie: Okay… but then okay, so you were lucky, you were profitable in your first business?
Adventure Junkies: I was making ends meet.
Adventure Junkies: But I would not say profitable.
Reggie: But you were able to pay your bills…
Adventure Junkies: Yes, I was able to pay my bills and the passion was there. The drive was there. I used to deliver food myself on the bikes.
Reggie: I see, and that is the difference. I think a lot of people when they start businesses they do it looking for money.
Adventure Junkies: Yes, for me it was not about money, it was the drive. For me the fulfillment to me was oh, the day is over, I made thirty cedis. To me I see it as, so I had an idea. I conceived an idea. I put that idea to the world and I have been paid thirty cedis, by the end of today. These guys, have made money for themselves, they’ve all been employed. People are happy. I am happy.
Reggie: Have you always been… this altruistic? I say altruistic for lack of a better word because, it seems at each point or each business it is always trying to help other people or get other people set up or to better themselves. So the first one was like okay fine, I am helping young guys, you know make some money. So they are driving the bikes and stuff and making money. Adventure junkies, it’s okay fine, I want to reduce the prices of travel in Africa, so you know let me make it popular by getting some people to travel and then it will help all Africa. That is not…. I don’t’ think that’s a mindset that a lot people have or think about when doing business, it’s usually cut throat- even for me. My background because, I guess my American training is like reduce your costs and increase your profit margins, right? I guess it is nice and refreshing to see but have you always been that way or is that something you developed? Or is …
Adventure Junkies: It is funny, I will tell you, you just highlighted it to me.
Reggie: I just highlighted it to you? Okay?
Adventure Junkies: I never looked at it that way.
Reggie: Or is that just normal to you?
Adventure Junkies: I guess, “Ubuntu” that is an African thing.
Reggie: Okay, okay… interesting
Adventure Junkies: As a spill off, the business will come
Adventure Junkies: That is how I see it. Sometimes if you decide to stick too much on the reduce costs and increase profits, then your business collapses or your mojo becomes so fucked up it is easy for, your open for acquisition or whatever they call it. But for us, it’s something for uhhh
Adventure Junkies: Passion. That the drive is there, I’ll make it happen. I mean in the beginning; you go on a tour. People have fun, we do a barbeque, they’re drinking, everybody is happy. Chale, guys, we had amazing time. It was great! Then my friends are looking at each other like uhhh 1,800… that money. We come home and we laugh about it, say yeaaa listen we had a party in Axim. Yea. (Laughter) So the fulfillment was there, after every trip. The way the people thank you for the service, you feel like yea! But then there’s been the downs, there’s times where I’ve really thought about it, like what am I doing to myself. I need to get a job. If I had a stable job, I would do that and I would do this, and then along comes Polly. Some deal comes up, the margins are huge, and I am like yea, why I did I think about quitting this. So yea, the ups and downs are there. I would not lie to you.
Reggie: No, they are always there. I mean the good this is… when you have passion, or like you said the important thing you said was your job is something that you would do for free.
Adventure Junkies: I would do it for free.
Reggie: But that’s… there’s a thing where there’s a question they say if you want to find a business idea, ask yourself what would you do even if you knew you would fail. And that is something you know you’d be passionate about and you could do it, so you found your thing.
Adventure Junkies: Because when we, in the beginning it was just these tours. For me, what really confirmed it for me, as a solid business was, the first tour was okay, day trips, weekends, sleepovers. It was beautiful! Then a friend of mine Luda, just sent me a message on Facebook once, saying oh, there is a Ukrainian TV crew trying to shoot some kind of story, news story in Ghana. She passed my contacts on to them. They messaged me, I messaged them back, they tell me what they want me to do. They want me as a fixer slash local producer; I did not know the hell it was. I jumped on the wagon, I go and see the Ministry of that, get the letters put everything together, pick them up from the airport, take them to the hotel and then they give me a bottle of, some nice Vodka with pepper inside it from Ukraine. And then they paid me cold currency, dollars, cash. So me and my colleague Jason, we left them in the hotel, we went home and I am like shit it is real. You know.
Adventure Junkies: So for five days job, we had a literally cleared most of the losses for the year. And then I got to go as a far as Gambaga witch camp. Met these old women who had been accused of witchcraft and stuck in a village somewhere. I am here today you know. Adventure Junkies
Reggie: Yea. How have your colleagues, are you able to have conversations about your work? Or, or? What am I trying to ask? Okay. In terms of mindset, right, you need to have a certain mindset to be able to do the things you do or to be an entrepreneur. Right. Now have you and your colleagues or your friends growing up been seeing eye to eye have been able to understand the things you talk about or the vision and things you talk about? Or is it been? How has that been in terms of finding partners or people who share the vison or who understand your work? Or understand you know.
Adventure Junkies: That is hard; people fall off along the line.
Adventure Junkies: Especially when…. how do I put it. A vision is not a business or mathematical formula that you can easily transport into somebody’s head and can be reproduced. So yes, you are bound to meet those things. Sometimes you have to cut and make room for accommodation. Sometimes I have been known to be a semi autocrat who just pushes my ideas and not the other person’s idea, but I think what it is, is, how do I put this? When someone sees a vision, he sees it. Where he wants to go the other person might not see. So it all boils down to… I guess its good planning and discussion. You need to plan, you need to discuss, and then action. If you put action into it…. If it is just the thought like I can describe to you how best I can make paper plane. Sketch it down. If I do not…. once I start folding you might see and say oh, you can say do that here, do that there. And it works, so yes, it’s a very difficult task explaining a vision to the next person to jump on. Even sometimes, you explain…. The person will get the basic side of it, sound interesting to jump on but on the next level THEN it’s like ahhhh.
Reggie: Because they did not picture how much work it was? Or? Yea. Okay. How big is your team now?
Adventure Junkies: Now we are four people, like on hand, then across the country we have five others who when you travel they pick you up. So there are guides in different places who will do the tours.
Reggie: Now were getting to that time. If you had…
Adventure Junkies: What time?
Reggie: Oh, to wrap up. I do not want to take too much of your time.
Adventure Junkies: I am enjoying it.
Reggie: We can keep going if you want. (Laughter). We can keep going. Okay, no so…. for people who want to start a business, right, what three things would you tell them. Or what advice would you give them at this point in time. So today, I say, okay I want to start a business, I have seen him. I see what he is doing. I am inspired and I also want to provide a service for my people. What advice would you give them? What are three things you would tell them after your five years of…?
Adventure Junkies: Sincerely?
Reggie: Sincerely… and do not say, do not do it. (Laughter)
Adventure Junkies: I would say to them, there is one very important thing that they might be taking for granted on the journey of trying to start their business, which is training. You either train and prepare to run the business or your pay for it running the business, and I think that’s more expensive. So make sure, make sure you are prepared for the journey. Be a subordinate somewhere. See how it is, feel it.
Reggie: Yes, but two things. Can you ever be prepared? You cannot because you never know what is going to come your way. And the second thing this is, what if it’s in something that doesn’t exist already.
Adventure Junkies: Exactly. Well I always say, I think it is very intuitive, it is very intuitive. There’s some people who, when they feel it like I’m saying, they know it, deep down, it’s boiling, it’s there. Those ones, I cannot hold them back. I will tell them bro, jump, let’s go. Get it done. But if you are having second thoughts and you are not cut out, don’t hurt yourself. That is my advice. Normally, if not for this, normally I would tell you fuck off, stay in school. Laughter.
Adventure Junkies: I think it all comes down to the passion. It depends on how strongly you feel it. If you know, it’s there. If you know, you would give your all to go in there. If you would sell your last pair of shoes for your business and walk barefooted then go for it. If you are not ready to sacrifice for your business, then get a job and use maybe… start small. Then you are comfortable, but yea.
Reggie: When you would go that route, how do you prevent yourself from getting stuck? Because a lot of people will try that and say just one more year or two more months.
Adventure Junkies: It should be at the back of your mind and you should have a plan.
Reggie: Okay, so you keep bringing up planning. So, planning is very important.
Adventure Junkies: Planning is life. Constant planning. But, plans change. Constant planning.
Reggie: Do you have a route or process for planning? Or no?
Adventure Junkies: In my business?
Reggie: That you follow. Yea
Adventure Junkies: Well we have adopted this agile concept, which says: “A plan as soon as it’s signed it’s has already expired. It’s outdated.” So we are always open to change. We are always planning. We have ways of doing things that are set it stone but you always have to adapt if we want to stay afloat. Always.
Reggie: How has the dynamics shifted or the thought process shifted from when it was you and your initial partner doing it with the two of you. To now, having people on board who you have to worry about salaries, you have to worry about making sure these people can pay their bills and things like that as well?
Adventure Junkies: It’s a growth process that you see, it’s all about becoming more responsible and seeing yourself in that position as being responsible for other people and just making sure you stick to it, because… I used to tell people, before I really loved my job. Now it is a job. (Laughter)
Adventure Junkies: You know. When I first started, it was about fun, I enjoyed it. Now there’s targets to meet, there’s budgets, KPIs, there’s feedback to check on, there’s PowerPoint presentations to do. And I’m thinking but, I didn’t think of all this in the beginning. But yea, but it’s still there. Once I still get to hit the road every now and then, I am happy.
Reggie: Do you handle all those things yourselves? Do you delegate? Do you outsource? In terms of, day to day running of the business. So…
Adventure Junkies: I am the guy if I had it my own way, I would outsource everything. Even the…. if I could outsource feeding, I would outsource it. (Laughter)
Reggie: (Laughter). But if, so for the things that you might need someone else to do. How do you go about or do you find someone to do it or you teach yourself? Or?
Adventure Junkies: There is somethings I try and teach myself. There is some that I cannot, I outsource.
Reggie: How do you decide which you should teach yourself and which you have to outsource?
Adventure Junkies: It is what interests me. If I find it interesting, I will teach myself because I know I can keep doing it. If it is not something I like to do, I have to sit down and do it a few times. Hard ball, but I… whiles, I start doing it, I try and figure out a formula that works on there that I can supervise and then I ship it out.
Reggie: Ship it out, okay.
Adventure Junkies: I am not an iron-fisted guy.
Reggie: You have been in business for five years, I do not know if I believe that. (Laughter). So what is your next upcoming trip?
Adventure Junkies: I am going to Lomé.
Reggie: (Laughter). Okay, for how long.
Adventure Junkies: Two days, uh three days.
Reggie: three-day trip? Okay
Adventure Junkies: Then after that, we are going up north to Mole National Park.
Reggie: And when will that trip be available?
Adventure Junkies: Easter, 25th-28th of March.
Reggie: Of, March? Okay? How can people find out more information or sign up for the trip?
Adventure Junkies: Facebook, and our website that I am waiting for Knows Digital to finish.
Reggie: (Laughter) It will be done, it will be done, don’t worry.
Adventure Junkies: Actually no, a website that I have to pay for. I think it’s done, it’s actually me.
Reggie: Okay. Thank you!
Adventure Junkies: You are welcome. Do not ask me for final words. I do not have any.
Reggie: What about your pre-final words? (Laughter).
Adventure Junkies: I do not know.
Reggie: No, I mean, so the whole concept behind this is basically just giving people insight into that mindset. And also, like letting them hear about stories of people who have taken that leap of faith and gone into it. So if there is anything or any pieces. I’ mean you have already given some advice but if there is anything you have to say or… if it’s fuck off stay in school
Adventure Junkies: I think for me, the number one thing I’ll let me people know which has been drummed into people’s ears over and over again. If you are going into it solely for money, you might find the beginning not so lucrative, or you might never actually find an end in it. If you going in it solely for money because there can be never enough. But then if you are going in it, because you found an emptiness or a void you want to fill in society or for yourself, then it’s worth going in there because I’ll be sincere with you, sometimes I feel proud to say yea, I put domestic tourism there you know. Now another company can easily put out a trip on Facebook saying I’m doing a trip and blah blah blah. And people would relate to it or can relate to it because they’ve seen Adventure Junkies do it. So for me, that’s a sweet joy.
Reggie: Okay, thank you!
Adventure Junkies: You’re welcome. You don’t have a handshake you do?